The Evolution of E-Bike Technology | EMBN Show Ep. 64

The Evolution of E-Bike Technology | EMBN Show Ep. 64


– There’s a real club
feel on today’s EMBN show, we’ll be looking at smoke machines, and also 20-somethings making decisions on whether to go E or not. – And the impact of future tech. (upbeat music) – I guess any discussion
on future tech has to start with the lithium ion battery, something that we have been using on e-bikes for many years now. And ’cause John Goodenough,
who’s a professor of engineering and the inventor
of the lithium ion battery, we know he’s actually been
working on a glass battery in recent years, but
there’s also loads of other battery tech on offer,
lithium sulfur batteries, and you’ve got graphene polymer cells, there’s lots going on in the world of battery management at the minute. And what does this all mean for us, Chris? I think it comes down to faster charging, – More range, of course. – Yep, smaller, lighter,
and of course they discharge quicker, so out on the trail,
what impact is it gonna have on us on the trail, if all
these developments do happen? – [Chris] Definitely, I
think a big shift we’ll see of weight, we’re gonna lose
a lot of weight from the battery, because that is a
massive part of the bike. I think shrinking to a smaller
battery, it’s gonna make those bikes super super light. Probably gonna see
differences in frame designs, you know, loads of cool stuff going on. – Think they’re gonna be charging quicker, so that lunch stop that might
now take an hour and a half, the lunch stop might actually
take 30 minutes in the future. – Damn, is that good or bad? (laughs) – Good point! But I think it’s going
to increase the range, even more so it’s gonna be
about a ride of fitness, because the bike will be
doing anything you want it to. – [Chris] So what about motors, Steve? We’ve seen a lot of tech
going on with batteries, what would you like to
see coming up with motors? – Well, actually the
battery tech has to happen first and foremost, because
it hasn’t quite got there yet, but with motors I’d imagine
everyone’s gonna be thinking about more power, lighter, I
mean light is a good thing, but in terms of power I don’t think, you know we’ve proved in
the woods that sometimes you can have too much
power, sometimes less power enables you to get up to those climbs, ’cause I think it’s more
about the power delivery and the software than
actually raw power in itself. – Definitely, yeah. I think I’d like to see a smaller motor, that would be quite nice, you know, these motors are really bulky, and of course the weight, but then it needs to be
that weight involved in it, but I think a smaller motor
would allow frame manufacturers combined with that battery tech, – Well they’re pretty good
at the minute, you know. And if you actually hold
like a Shimano E7000 motor, it’s incredibly compact, you know I’m sure it
will get even smaller, but there’s not much to it
at the moment, you know. But things are well underway, we’re seeing smaller batteries, we’re seeing batteries with greater range, we’re seeing quieter
motors, smaller motors, and good software to go with these bikes. What was quite interesting,
last week I saw a company called Greyp Bikes, from Croatia, now the parent company is actually Rimac, who make that ridiculously fast car, – [Chris] I saw that, yeah. – The one that Richard Hammond crashed. Now, so it’s actually
Rimac, I think it has about 500 employees, but you know
Greyp Bikes has already 35 R and D people
involved in this company, and they’ve been working on
this bike for four years, but some really neat touches I think. First thing I want to point
out is the fact that it’s got, they’ve teamed up with Croatian telecom, – T-mobile, I think. – T-mobile, so you’ve got
free internet on this bike for four years up to
2022, and maybe beyond. You simply bolt on your
phone as a dashboard, and there’s some really neat touches, did you see the camera on it? – [Chris] Yeah, I saw the
cameras, front and rear cameras, I think they do a live stream
from your rides, as well, so you can record on the
spot, front and rear. – First person to send in a
picture of their Greyp Bike to EMBN gets a free hat! – And then the next thing
I saw on them was the retro rewind feature, so
basically if you have a cool bit, like a cool line,
cool jump, or a cool crash, you can actually rewind the footage and save that to like a
30 second or a one minute clip to your phone and it
downloads straight away to the central system on it. – Do you know what I really like? I really like the fact that
you can tune in your own heart rate zones, so if
you wanna train or ride at a certain heart rate,
say between 130 and 150, if you go above 150, the bike
will give you more assistance, if you go below 130, it’ll
give you less assistance. So it’s a really good training tool there. – What I did like was the
security system on it as well, basically those front and
rear cameras, it’s also got a live track thing on it, so
as soon as the bike is moved from it’s location or gets tampered with, you can connect to it and view it, – And you can kill the motor. – Yeah, that’s it, remote kill it as well. So if you steal it, it’s
gonna be no good to you. – So I think, you know, that
it’s great that a company such as Rimac is getting
involved in e-mountain bikes. So that bike’s actually
for sale at the minute, between 6,499 euros and 7,499 euros, it comes in three sizes, I do believe, and interesting geometry actually, Chris. – [Chris] Yeah, it does. – It’s got a 480mil chainstay, now that is actually one of the longest
chainstays on the market, I can only think that Mondraker
Level has a 490mil chainstay and the Lapierre Oval has
got a 485mil chainstay, now what this does is actually
makes a forward weight bias, so that bike is actually gonna
climb pretty well I think. – [Chris] It does look it doesn’t it? – Yeah, and in terms of
the, there’s actually two different models, there’s
a 450 watt motor model, and a 250 watt motor
model, which is obviously a pedelec and restricted
to 25 kilometers an hour. – They’ve got a big range
as well haven’t they? In that battery, I think
they’re saying 100k or 60k. – [Chris] Yeah, it’s a 700 watt battery? – [Steve] Yeah big battery on it. Yeah, it’s a really cool bike. – So yeah, we’re looking at, you know, the future impact of tech,
and I think it’s great to have somebody like Rimac and Greyp involved in the sport. – E-Enduro kicked off in Alassio, in Northern Italy, on the weekend. Chris, look at all those chargers. – [Chris] Crazy, isn’t it? – Yeah, but it’s great to
see that Marco Fontana, former Cross-Country World
Cup pro racer, was riding. He didn’t win, – [Chris] He didn’t win? That’s a first. – [Steve] He certainly
looks very fast on his bike. Yeah, amazing. Meanwhile, down in the
Southern Hemisphere, in Chile, Montenbaik, who hold the
national endurer series, had their round on the weekend, and it seems it was well-attended. And here’s the podium shot here, Chris. – [Chris] Who’s that,
Felipe Pizarro won there? Is that a Kenevo? – [Steve] Yeah. – [Chris] Fox 40 is on there as well, so a full on downhill e-bike. – [Steve] Yeah. I bet the tracks are
pretty full on too, right? Chris, that’s a rather nice
new red t-shirt you’ve got on. – Yeah, it’s cool isn’t
it, do you like that? – Yeah, it is, it’s great. Especially after Wales won
the Grand Slam on the weekend. – Ah, enough about football, Steve. – Rugby, actually. – Oh, is it? Well, you need to check out the EMBN shop, loads of cool new stuff in there. We’ve got hoodies, red tees,
olive tees, black tees, – Is this olive, is it? – Yeah! – Oh, I didn’t know it was olive. – But loads of cool stuff in there, be sure to check out the EMBN shop. – As the nights are drawing out! – Plenty to talk about this week, Chris. I tell you what, I gotta show you this, this little bike shelter
on a bike path in Germany, really beautifully made. – [Chris] That’s cool isn’t it. – [Steve] Yeah, look
at the window on there. – [Chris] Yeah, it looks
like a big pile of logs disguising it, love that window as well, it’s meant to frame the countryside. – [Steve] Imagine having a bike shed built in a wood like that. – [Chris] Look how high it
is, though, it’s amazing. – Now, also, Aaron Gwin, now, Aaron Gwin, multiple
world cup downhill champion, recently signed for Intense Cycles. Obviously Intense make
the Intense Tazer e-bike, and it seems he was
shuttling in a downhill race. – [Chris] Yeah, he was
out there in the week whilst the shuttle wasn’t running, so he’s cruising up the hill and then just taking it nice
and easy on the way down, looking for some lines. Something we’ll probably
see a lot of the pros doing. – [Steve] Well, do you know
what, I’ve done it myself, on a local race a couple of years ago, me and my mate, we went
up there the night before, we did, I think we did 10 runs, literally just scoping all the lines out, because when you go to a downhill race, you’re reliant on the uplift, you’ve got to queue for the
uplift and all that palaver, whereas you can take it,
you’ve got your own speed, you can check your lines out, I think it’s a great way of, – Definitely. – And I reckon we’ll see a lot more of it. – Definitely. We hope so. I saw Cam McCaul out with his brother, he was out with his dad, and Tyler’s daughter, or Cam’s
daughter, out on the trail. Four different generations of riders. Cam was saying he’s
never been out on a ride with his dad on mountain bikes, he’s always a flat-track racer, I think, back in the day, fire service. Cam did a really cool video
over on YouTube as well, so be sure to check that one out. – And finally, we’re
always talking about demo, e-bike demo events here on EMBN. Now, Ghost have a really
packed schedule of test events over the next six months. So, check out where they are, they’re all over Europe, and you can have a test ride
on one of their e-bikes. Interesting story,
Chris, I was in the woods a couple of weeks ago with Brandon, shooting a video, and there
was two young lads there, one had a Trek Remedy, 150mil travel, and the other had a
Cannondale Moterra e-bike! We’ve been in the Forest of Dean today, shooting a video, and throughout the day, these two guys, Sam and
Dan, have been pretty much riding the same areas as us. Now, it’s quite interesting that Sam’s got a Trek Remedy acoustic bike, whereas Dan here has got
Cannondale Moterra e-bike. Guys, you seem to have been
doing hundreds of runs today? – Smashing it out since 11 in the morning. – I’ve been toying with
the electric engine, taking a tow with me. – Okay right. – Hook it over the seat, and
then he can hold on to it. – I get it, I get it. Sam, why did you choose,
if he’s got an e-bike, why have you got a Trek Remedy bike? – I haven’t been riding
long, and I thought it would be good to jump in on an authentic bike. – Authentic? – Yeah, real mountain
biking to start off with (laughing) – Dan, what do you say about that? – I dunno, I think working
smarter is the best way. – Smarter not harder, eh. – Smarter not harder. – Hold on a minute, so, you’ve only just started mountain biking, right? – Yeah, three weeks. – What, three weeks? Crikey. Dan, how long have you been riding? – Years, years and years. – Voice of experience, isn’t it. (laughing) Yeah, how long do you think
before Sam gets an e-bike? – I’d say at the end of the year. (laughing) – Hey look, it doesn’t matter does it? You seem to have a great
time in the woods today. – Keeping up with each other. No one’s leaving each other behind. – And so I’ve noticed, the end of the day, you’ve been sessioning all the jumps here. – Yeah, that’s how he’s trying
to get his basic skills up. – It’s all about jumping properly. – Yeah, so you’ve been doing
a wide range of riding? – Yeah, that’s right, we’re doing all the intermediate, the harder stuff, and finish off with a bit
of training at the end. – Great, guys, thanks for your time. I won’t hold you back. See you again! – Cheers. – I think the pair of them had got their bikes for about £2,000. See there’s all this talk
about e-bikes being expensive, so there’s two 20-somethings, making some big decisions on their bikes, spending a fair bit of cash still, but – Authentic, I’ve not really heard that. I wonder what he means,
does he mean that he feels that he’s doing kind of
proper mountain biking, and the e-bike is not
proper mountain biking? – Do you know what, it
doesn’t really matter. The pair of them are
having a whale of a time. – They like it. – Welcome to Elec-tricks,
I’m gonna show you how to do a back flip on an e-bike. Find a pretty big jump like this, and you wanna come into it
with as much speed as possible. Then just send it, pull back off the lip, look for the back wheel,
which you’ll never see, and if you do all those motions, then you’ll probably just land on your wheels the other side. Easy. So, approach the jump at a good speed, hit the lip, pull back, and there you go! Easy back flip. Boom! Hit the lip, Easy back flip! Boom. – So, just going back to
the Greyp bike, Steve, that had some amazing
stuff for security on it. But, that isn’t accessible
on every single bike. So what can we do at home to
protect our pride and joy? – Big scary dogs! – Oh yes, scary dogs. Barbed wire? – Razor barbed wire. Big heavy doors, gates, locks, everything. – But what else, come on. It’s gotta be better than that. – Well, actually, do you know what, we went to Race Co Cycles last week to do a video on how to test
out, how to demo an e-bike, and Paul Tet had some
interesting new technology. Now e-bikes do not come
cheap, so even more reason to keep them well protected. Now, here with Paul Tet at Race Co Cycles. Paul, it seems a classic situation which we’re all faced with, you know, back alleyways or garage ways, we’ve got razor wire, we’ve got locks, we’ve got gates, we’ve
got roller shed doors. Same as, right? – Yeah, we’ve got something pretty special tucked away inside. – Yeah, whatever. – So, yeah, it’s a little
bit of a challenge. – Yeah, a challenge, I like challenges! – There’s a nice
specialized lever in there. – Yeah, and? – Go and try to grab it out. – So all I gotta do is
get through the doors, grab the bike, and that’s it? – That’s it, it’s yours. – God, really? It can’t be that difficult. Right here we go. Pull the doors up, in, get the bikes, see you later, Paul Tet. – That’s it. – Here we go. What the hell! Oh my god! Get me outta here! Get me outta here! What the hell! Oh my god! That’s intense! That is too intense. That is too intense. Get me outta here! (laughing) I mean that is, look
how far you gotta go in, it’s like, oh my god! And you’ve gone, you can’t
see anything in here! You can’t even see the way out of here! It’s like, where am I? At the other end then. I’m actually here (laughing) I’m here. So, clearly, or should I say, unclearly, an hour later we got the glitter ball in, and the strobe light, and
we had a right old party. The ultimate home disco machine, Paul. Seriously, there’s a
serious side to this, right? – Yeah. – Tell us about it. Smoke Bloc. – Yep, so, new come set-up, Basically, smoke machine,
you can’t see what you’re trying to steal,
then you can’t take it. – How much? – It’s gonna retail at 12.99, it’s gonna be available
through our website. At the moment, just ourselves selling it. – It’s a good insurance system. I mean, you think about it,
if you’ve got a couple bikes, maybe pressure washer, whatever
you’ve got in your garage, it adds up to a lot of money, right? – Yeah, definitely. I think a lot of people don’t realize how uninsured they are. Household insurance only
goes up to a certain amount, so when you add up a house alarm, in comparison to one of these, this actually physically
stops them in their tracks. – I tell you what, it stopped me, – Yeah, – I’m absolutely terrified of it. So there you go, Smoke Bloc
from Paul at Race Co Cycles, in Stourbridge in the Midlands! Thank you, Paul, or not thank you. (laughing) – So we had a lot of feedback
from last week’s show where we were talking
about second hand e-bikes. We had Steve, the
decorator, come in with his £300 Levo bargain from eBay! – Steve, the dec, Davis. Hell of a bike, too. – Yeah, it was cool, wasn’t it. – We’ve had quite a few
comments in from that video, spector25123 says, beware of stolen bikes, ask to see the receipt. – Of course, that’s the
first thing I would do when I’m going to check
second hand e-bike out. Oleg Petelevitch has been in,
I paid that for my helmet! No way! If you can’t play,
don’t come to the table, save like I did! – That’s an expensive helmet, £300, – It is. – But that’s a bit harsh as
well, don’t you find, Chris? – Yeah, I think it is pretty harsh words, but, I think everyone
loves a bargain, right? – Good on Steve getting that bike. Stuart, meanwhile, Stuart Dumkoph says, how did the guy get that Troy Lee design from the Kenevo on his Levo? – Well I think the Kenevo comes with that sticker pack, doesn’t it? Or you can order it from
a specialized dealer, and of course you just chopped it away and modified it to fit the Levo. It looked pretty cool. – Yeah, exactly. – Definitely, it did look good. Michael E, where is a good place to shop for second hand stuff? I’m in the market myself. Well, Facebook Messenger,
Facebook Marketplace, eBay, Gumtree, – I think social media is
a good way of finding some reputable bike shops that do
deal in second hand e-bikes, ’cause a lot of people now
are trading their bikes in, e-bikes are what, six, seven years old? – Yeah. – So there’s been increasing,
an increasing amount of second-hand e-bikes on the market. So talking about Facebook bargains, Mark Smith has been in touch, he says, he’s seen a few on
Facebook that look stolen. Battery held on by cable
ties because they says they have lost their key, etc. – Yeah, I mean I’ve lost the
key to my bike loads of times. – Yeah, definitely. And I think if you’re gonna
go and buy a stolen bike, (laughing) – Don’t buy a stolen bike! (laughing) – If you’re gonna buy an
e-bike, just make sure it comes, – It’s not stolen! – Yeah, it’s not stolen,
but the main thing that it comes with a charger, ’cause that’s a sure sign
that it’s been stolen, if it comes just as
bike, without any keys, or a battery charger. – Some background
information on that bike, ask a bit of history to it, ask what he’s been doing on it, – Check out their profile as well. – Doesn’t take much, does it really? – Where in the world, – We’re off to a load of places, Steve, – I wanna know, before we get switched on, is how is old Colin getting on? – Oh yeah, I had an update from him, looks pretty nasty, he
sent in a couple of pics. Big staples, – [Steve] That looks a
bit ragged, doesn’t it? How did he do that? – Big crash, he said, three
operations after having my arm, titanium hinge in there,
implanted a titanium forearm, but he’s back riding. – [Steve] He’s got a titanium forearm? – [Chris] Yeah, looks like it. – [Steve] That’s heavy duty, Colin! – Iron Man. – Take it easy. – We’re going to the
Forest of Dean, Steve, I don’t know if you can find that? This is from the Endurer at the weekend, Keith Moon here, shredding it as well. – [Steve] Keith Moon? I’ve heard Keith Moon
before, who’s Keith Moon? – [Chris] He’s one of the guys, one of the nice friendly guys
out there on the circuit, attends all the races, just
made a big switch to e-bikes, so really cool guy. – Ooh, this is swell
as well, South Africa. – Yeah, we’re going to
Cape Town, South Africa. Eight-year old Tom, shredding it. – [Steve] Whoa! What bikes he on? – [Chris] His Giant Stance. – [Steve] Well that’s cool isn’t it? – [Chris] Pretty cool, isn’t it. – [Steve] Look at that, what do you think of that jump, Chris? – [Chris] Looks pretty cool, doesn’t it? For eight-years old, I
wasn’t doing that at eight. – [Steve] What, building stone walls? – No, but he’s submitted
a load of pictures, big air time, only eight-years old. – Yeah, nice one, Simon! – What then, is coming up
on the channel this week? – Well, on Friday, Steve,
we’ve got a cool video, we headed to to Race Co Cycles, and shot a video on how to demo an e-bike. Everything you need to
take along to the shop, and how you actually do it. – Yeah, and then Sunday sees
the return of Georgia Lesley in a video in which showcases trail bikes verus e-mountain bikes, and that’s on a downhill course, and some trails which
are gently undulating. It’s not me versus Georgia,
it’s basically saying what is the fastest when it
comes down to descending. – Bikes are nice, yeah, nice. Look forward to that one. – Right, it’s time to have a look at your bikes from around the world. Chris, give me that laptop. First of all, we have
got Shane from Australia, and his Haibike 180. – That looks cool. – That’s beautiful, I love the way that’s silhouetted against that background. I’m going straight in with
a super nice on that, sorry! (buzzer) – Got this one in from Frederick, 2019 Norco Sight VLT 2 out
in Thousand Oaks, California, – Whoa, beautiful background, – That’s nice, isn’t it? – Gonna have to hurry you. – We’re gonna go for a nice I think. Just the rays cutting
into it, the sun rays. – The rays are nice! – Can’t quite see the bike. – I would have gone one better than that. – Well that’s too nice. – Here we go, what have we got here, we’ve got a Giant Full-E 2 2016, from Om in Velenje in Slovenia. – Wow, that’s strange plowed fields, – Is that a plowed field,
or a motorcross track? – I think it’s a plowed field, – But more to the point,
Steve, nice or super nice? – I’m moving on to Giant, another Full-E, OSX-Pro from Sherwood Pines, – Nice. – My son, Leo, is about
10 minutes behind me and I guess I really need
to buy him an e-bike. (laughing) I would be giving him this,
I would be giving him this I would be giving him this until his Mountain 10
arrives in September. That’s a very kind dad you are, Jamie. So I think, on that
note, it’s a super nice. (buzzer) – Got this one in from Dragos, out in Penshurst Bike Park, – Sylvester. – Look, got a thudbuster
seatpost going on, so suspension seatposting, you don’t see too many of those, do we? – No you don’t, do you? – On a hard tail as well. What you thinking, Steve? – Moving on! To, oh my goodness me, look at that. Barkley, in Ainsa in
Spain, Route Zona Zero, Wow. I mean, I’ve been to Ainsa,
have you been to Ainsa? – I haven’t, no, does look cool. – The riding around there is next level. I mean, and the steaks
and the wine as well, and it just one hell of a location. Really really dry climate there too. – Is it? – For me, it’s only gotta go one way, what bike is it by the way? – Levo. – Oh, Turbo Levo, right. – No, it’s gotta be super nice. (buzzer) So, Pecker has been in touch, he’s dropped us in a picture
of his Lapierre Overvolt. – Cassis. – Yeah it looks really nice. – Do you know what, Pecker, I’ve been to the Eagle’s Beak with Jack, our filmers, not far from here, Ciotat,
we had food there as well. It’s a hell of a great spot. And the rocks in that area,
to ride bikes, e-bikes, is absolutely insane. – It does look good. – It’s not actually far
from where we did the recent climbing video, the Rocher de Roquebrune, so I think that for me, is a super nice. (buzzer) – I got this one in from Beet as well, Mustache Samaday 27 race
2019 in Basel in Switzerland, – What do you reckon, Chris? – That’s a nice, isn’t it. – It’s a nice, yeah. – Moving on. – Oh, from plowed fields to, crikey, the Mumbles! Is it really that muddy in the Mumbles? Do you know, a good place
to ride e-bikes though, that’s inspiring that is. It’s a Cube Stereo Hybrid 160, from Adam. – I’m liking that shot. – It’s quite different. – Right down to the coast. – Quite like the coast, I’m
gonna give that a super nice. (buzzer) – This one in from
Mike, a 2019 Turbo Levo, out in the Otway ranges
in Victoria, Australia. Looks cool doesn’t it. – Yeah, it’s nice I think. Oh and we’re out of the bike vault! That’s it. We’re out of the bike vault, Chris. – Damn, we love seeing all
your bikes here on EMBN, be sure to send them
using the upload service. Details are on-screen now. You don’t know, next week it could be you. – I reckon it will be. I reckon it will be you next week. So that’s it for this week. Don’t forget to subscribe
to EMBN so we can continue to bring you some great e-bike videos. In the meantime, check out
the video man versus hill, or was that idiot versus hill? Where I basically took forever
to climb a thousand foot hill in the south of France. – Did look cool, really
cool video that one Steve. But be sure to check out
how to ride steps as well, if you wanna speed up your
commute or get called out on the steps, this is a really
good video to check out. If you’ve enjoyed today’s
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