Should You Buy An E-Bike? Ask EMBN Anything About E-Biking

– Questions, questions, questions. It can only mean one thing, ask EMBN. (techno sounds) – Okay, so let’s kick things off. We’ve got a really good question
here from Joseph Rennick. And he’s got, hi guys,
there’s been no convincing me that e-bikes are the
future of mountain biking. I understand every aspect
of them and currently save my pennies to buy my first e-bike. Currently I own a 150
mil Santa Cruz Bronson and ride every week with a group of lads. However, they’re all against e-bikes. I explained all the
advantages of an e-bike, but they still won’t accept them. I’m the youngest in the group, being 32. Yeah, I’m the only one wanting one. So basically when I first get my e-bike, how will my weekend
rides go with the boys? I can take the banter, but I’m afraid I’ll be steaming ahead on
my own and wanting more from my ride when we get
back to the car park. Advice would be great,
cheers for all the videos. – Whoa, that’s an absolutely, that’s a brilliant, brilliant question. I think it echoes the
thoughts of a lot of people all over the world, is how you, what’s going to be the, how’s
it going to work itself out when you ride with your mates? – Yep. – And I think the key
thing, Joseph, is that different rider weights or
different fitness levels, different type choices all have an impact. I think what you find you’ll do, you’ll still be riding with your mates, but you’ll probably be riding in eco mode. – Yeah. – You might be riding with the motor off. It all depends, and you
could go for an e-bike ride with three different levels of fitness so you have someone who’s say 60 kilos, might be riding in eco mode. – Yeah. – Someone who’s 80 kilos
be riding trail mode, and maybe someone who’s
older, who is less fit, could be riding in turbo mode. So there’s always that
give and take really. But I think something, I
can see that your mates have got some worries, and I
think a really telling point was recently on a really well
known mountain bike website when the Norco Site was launched. Historically on this website, there’s been a lot of e-bike hate,
which it’s been there. But a really telling
part was there was very, there seems to be less
and less anti e-bike hate on this site. – Definitely. – And there’s a good comment,
and the comment said, the seventh stage of grief is acceptance. And I think we have got
now to stage on e-bikes where there is acceptance. – Definitely, I like that. – Because if you go to
Italy and you go to France, and you know they’re
developed e-bike countries. And people look upon people riding e-bikes with a bit of envy really. – Definitely. However, in like America
or maybe in the UK, they are less developed e-bike countries. So it’s still waiting to catch up I think. – Yeah, definitely, I think a good idea would be to treat your
mates to like a demo day. Get them all out there and try an e-bike. You know you can wear disguises. It doesn’t have to be them
if they’re that embarrassed to ride one, but get
them all to a demo day. Try an e-bike. – And they’ll be hooked. – And they’ll be hooked. You’ll all be buying one. Just make that change
and you can join them, show them how capable they are, go flying off in the distance, it’s just. – Joseph, I think the
key thing is don’t be, you know, don’t feel the peer pressure. Don’t let peer pressure prevent you from getting an e-bike
because they’re such good fun. – Definitely. – You can still have such
a great workout on them, and you can just do more runs. – Definitely. – Honestly, those mates
of yours, I guarantee you. – They need to ride one. – Yeah, and within a few years you’ll all be riding e-bikes,
it’s as simple as that. It’s inevitable. Axis Ludi asks, hey guys,
I need to know how to install a dropper seat
post with internal routing on my flatmates e-bike,
Cube Stereo Hybrid. The motor is Bosch Performance CX. It looks like we have to remove the motor and place the cables
correctly inside the frame. We would really appreciate
your help on this. – Yeah, so we don’t actually
know the bike personally, and there’s a few different
models available of Cube Stereo. But I think if it’s a motor
job, it’s not a massive job. I’ve done it myself. I think you have. If you’re fairly
confident at home, you can remove that motor fairly easy. – Yeah, 10 minute job. – If not, take it down
to your local bike shop. They should be fairly competent about removing that motor if needed. But of course there’s lots of
different options out there. You’ve got wireless ones from Magura. You’ve got just a sender and
receiver unit on the seat post, so actually no cables on the bike at all. Obviously you can get the under the seat post mounted dropper lever. It really depends on what
style of riding you’re doing. – There’s cable operated,
hydraulic operated. – Yeah, lots of different
options out there, but yeah. – But to take, just to give you some info, to take a Bosch motor out,
it’s a very simple job. Don’t forget to disconnect your
battery before you do this. There’s no engagement of the
rear wheel or the cranks. Literally I think it’s three bolts. Don’t forget, when you take the motor out, to take a photograph exactly how where the cables are located, so
when it comes to put it back with the dropper cable, you know exactly where everything is. – Yeah, just remember
when you’re doing that dropper cable as well,
just try and not have any sort of tight kinks in that, in the cable, just keep it a nice smooth cable route. – Easy, easy. – Easy job. We got this question
in from Bugboy 1520023, currently a regular mountain bike rider. You have sold me on the concept of miles and training benefits of e-bikes. Can you do some more
spotlights on how these bikes handle going downhill
compared to regular bikes? Is it difficult to get
the extra weight around? Will a smaller, lighter
struggle to corner exactly? Thank you for the show and all you do. – Great question, Bugboy. Yes, they are different. Obviously I’m talking about
a weight of 19 to 24 kilos in an e-bike compared to a
lot less on a non-e-bike. So the main thing here is the momentum you carry on an e-bike,
especially going into corners, you need to break slightly
earlier on an e-bike compared to a non e-bike. But the grip involved on
an e-bike and the stability on an e-bike is absolutely incredible. Now I did a back to back
test on one of the world’s famous testing tracks down
in Italy on a Canyon Sender verses a High Bike
Exterior 180 mil Travel. And the crazy thing was when
I did this back to back test, I was convinced that the
downhill bike would be five to eight seconds
quicker than the e-bike. However, my e-bike,
and I have to tell you, the suspension wasn’t
set up particularly well. The bike was a bit too small for me, and it actually beat the
downhill bike by five seconds. And when you’re asking what it feels like, you’ll feel that the exit speed of corners on a non e-bike is so much
quicker than an e-bike, but the times actually say otherwise. – Yeah, definitely. – But I think also you’ll
get, you might feel is you might get more arm
fatigue on a non e-bike compared to an e-bike. Because there’s a lot less weight transfer going on on an e-bike. Obviously this all depends, this assumes your bike is the right size
and the suspension’s set up and all of that. But yeah check out the
video, which we did in Italy (upbeat music) Jamie Gibbon feels like
he’s ready to commit to buying an e-bike. Yeah, good effort, Jamie. I currently have a 2008
Stumpjumper Expert. I recently been noting a number of e-bikes with belt drives and pinion
style enclosed gearboxes instead of chains, cassettes. Is this the next evolution
of E mountain bikes, and if so, should I be holding off until this technology matures? Are belt drive pinions
going to be more preservable over community bikes, upside down? I think you should get on with it? – Definitely, I think
technology is changing so fast these days. I think you just need to get onboard. Get started with that e-bike
thing, get a bug going. Every day we’re seeing stuff
changing all the time, but. – I think to ask the
question on belt drives, I think belt drives are more susceptible to weather, rocks, mud, than a chain is. – Yeah. – I recently spoke to an
engineer who live close by and he has used belt drives, and obviously I think Nick and I have
got a belt drive bike, but I think in extreme
conditions or off road conditions in the northern hemisphere,
I think you’re probably better off with a chain drive. – Yeah. – I think maybe the way
you were talking about belt drives means that like for example inside a Brose motor is belt drives. You need to be clear here
whether we’re talking inside a motor or outside the motor. – Yeah, yeah. – So yeah obviously like any e-bike motor is hermetically sealed and it’s good for I think some motors are
good for 20 to 30,000 miles before you should dismantle
them or service them. So that’s an insane amount of miles. – Yeah, definitely. – I can’t imagine doing that, can you? – No, and I think
obviously there’s a reason why some motorcycles,
especially off road stuff is stuck to that chain drive. You know it’s tried and tested stuff. I think we will see advances
with the gearbox side of it, but I think that chain will
always be connected by, it will always be powered by a chain, be it single speed with
an enclosed gearbox. – Jamie, go for it. – Just do it. – Now’s the time, just do it. – Yeah, get onboard. You’ll miss that train
and you’ll regret it. – Just go and do it. – Okay we’ve got this one
in from Michael Towler. I have a Rocky Mountain Powerplay. I’m getting heaps of shuddering
from the front of the bike. It only seems to happen on one
downhill track in particular which cuts back and forth
across the ridge, rock and roll. The faster I go, the worse it is. It seems to occur as you
sweep down and breaking as opposed to going uphill,
down or corner or berm. What do you reckon, Steve? – Well, like you say there,
you check your disk bolts. Check whether your headset’s tight. It could actually be
something from the rear. It could be like your rear axle’s loose. I mean because sometimes
the sound and vibration does get transferred from
the back to the front and other times it gets transferred from the front to the back. So it’s really difficult
to answer that question. It sounds to me like there’s
something loose on the bike. – Yeah. – It could be your motor, the
bolts on the motor are loose. It could be your shock
absorber bolts are loose. – Definitely. – I don’t know, without seeing the bike, it’s almost impossible
to answer that question. – Yeah, I’d get that bike on the ground, give it a bit of a drop test. See if you can hear
anything like super loose or anything like that. Rock it back and forward on the brakes. Bounce it on the back wheel. Noises tend to occur
when that stuff is loose. – My question to you, Micheal,
let me get back to this is, are we talking when the motor is engaged or simply when you’re
freewheeling down the track? So yeah, get back to us on that. And you need to isolate whether
it’s a motor related issue or a chastity related issue before we can start to tackle it. The Ebike Campervan Man says, hi, I’ve got a quick question. I have a Giant 2017 Full
E, and I’ve tried to do very steep climbs before on full power. I get halfway up till I get to a slow pace and the motor cuts out. Then you have no chance of getting up. Does this happen on all e-bikes? And did this happen to us on the slab? – No, I think it sounds seriously like you’ve got a problem with
the cadence on that e-bike. So it’s quite a common thing we see. – Not a problem with the
bike, problem with him. – Problem with him, yeah, so
a quite common thing we see is riders not actually
changing gear correctly, being in the right gear,
keeping that motor spinning, good cadence. It’s quite easy just to change power modes if you’re struggling up the hill. So just make sure you’re
in that right gear. Obviously if you’re in extreme climbing like you mentioned here in your post, you need to be in that first gear. Keeping those cranks spinning to keep, you know a lot of motors
like that, spinning. – Good idea, send us a video
of you doing this climb and we’ll be able to break it down and see what the problem is. – Yeah. – Yeah, just send us a video and we’d be more than happy
to help you up that bank. Andy Rebholz, I love
jumping my mountain bike, but love the look of the
new e-bikes out there and want to get one. Can they still do big jumps and can they take the abuse if you get it wrong? – Can they, Steve? – You know what, I am totally
the wrong person to ask. However, I have got a
mighty fine bike jumper sat right next to me. – Yeah, I think e-bikes
are more than capable on those big jumps. They’re a little bit different, but once you get used
to it you can definitely send those big jumps. This is a great video
of me and Sam Pilgrim at Wind Hill Bike Park doing adverses. It just shows the sort of
stuff you can do on them. I think in the air
they’re a lot more stable than the regular bike. I, in fact, probably prefer
to jump my e-bike now than a regular trail bike
when I’m weight inverted. – There you go. – So there you go. – Simple as that. Just be careful. Going to The Crazy Gibbon, how far do you guys get out
of one battery on your ride? Wow, good question. Now I’ve done a few epic trips recently. One in Scotland called Into the Wild. And also one recently in Italy. On the Scotland trip I
took a Sonders Watt Hour specialized bike and we did
the whole trip on one battery. In Italy, we did an
insane amount of climbing. And I had a smart battery,
which was 500 watt hours. It didn’t quite make it. You could easily take another one because they’re only like about that big, but how far, that’s impossible to answer. – Yeah, so many different
factors out there. – You’re talking tire choice. You’re talking rider weight. You’re talking what mode you’re riding in. You’re talking weather conditions. You’re talking ground conditions. – Yeah. – I can usually do about
3,000 foot of climbing and go out for a couple hours. – Yeah, that’s the average kind of thing. I mean in extremes, I think I can flatten my bike off in turbo within about an hour with a lot of climbing, but alternatively I’ve done a video, which you can see down below. I did 100K on one battery,
but that was really, really careful about your management, switching it off and riding in eco, as well as really, you know,
it depends on what you’re in your fitness as Steve said. There’s so many elements to it. – Yeah like the first thing is, Chris, on the Italy trip, we left
at about 10:30 in the morning and we didn’t get in until
six o’clock at night. So just because, yeah,
we tended to ride a lot in eco mode. You can have a big day out on an e-bike. – Yeah, definitely in eco. – It’s a huge day out, so it depends. – Yep. – Right this is in from Chris Peacock. My dad wants to buy an e-bike
to get out riding with me. I have a Cannondale Jekyll. Will I be able to keep up or will my dad have to keep slowing down
and waiting around for me? – I can vouch for this one. When I first got an
e-bike, I actually went out with my dad, he’s a 62 year old. He rode an e-bike, I rode
my normal pedal bike. And no I could not keep up with him. Even though my dad’s not as fit as me, I was way fitter than my dad, but even in an eco
mode, I think it depends obviously on your fitness. – Depends on your dad as well. – Yeah, I occasionally
ride with like a world cup, cross country rider guy,
and he’s sort of a similar sort of pace in eco. Obviously if I just turn it
up, you would just disappear. It totally depends on
each of your fitness, your riding skills, and
everything, but I think if I was going to ride, you can ride. I’ve ridden with clubs
and stuff in eco mode on the normal bike. – Well I’ve ridden with Randy Wilderhab, who’s won the Mega Avalanche. He’s been riding with a motor off. I’ve been riding in trail mode. And we ride together, so
it depends, it depends. – Yeah, that’s the good
thing about them, isn’t it? You can switch that assistance
up and down as you need it. But I would get you both on an e-bike to enjoy it to the max I think. – That’s it, thanks for
your questions folks. Some real bangers in there this week. We particularly liked that
first one from Joseph. – That was really cool. – Who was worried about buying an e-bike and how it would, he’d be able to interact with his mates, but yeah. Some big questions and big, big quests, and we covered that on EMBN show called Electrophobia, which was
a couple of weeks ago. So go back and check that out because we got some feedback
from people in the woods who’ve got the very
concerns that you have. – Yep. – In the meantime, lots
of other non question related videos on EMBN. There’s high level adventure in Italy, which we did a few weeks ago. Check that out. – We’ve also go the
rock where me and Steve did the most technical,
scariest climb ever. Check that one out for sure. – Yeah. – Don’t forget, if you
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