Innovative E-Bike Tech + Haibike Flyon First Ride | EMBN At Garda Bike Festival 2019

Innovative E-Bike Tech + Haibike Flyon First Ride | EMBN At Garda Bike Festival 2019


– You’ve gotta get up early
here at Riva del Garda to get all the e-bike tech. So today all the latest plus the Haibike Flyon. (electronic chiming) – [Friend] Morning Steve! (alarm beeping) Steve! – What the hell? – [Friend] Time to get up mate. – Are you (bleep) serious? – [Friend] You like
riding bikes, don’t you? – Get outta here! – [Friend] What’s the time? – Get outta here! – [Friend] What’s the time? (upbeat electronic music) – Game changing, the next generation, the next level, a new
world of possibilities, a new era of e-bikes. A lot has been said about
the new Haibike Flyon since its launch at Eurobike last year. But I’ve just been looking
forward to riding it. (upbeat electronic music) Now the heart of this bike is that! The TQ HPR 120 S motor. With software developed by Haibike, it’s all about the delivery
through the pedals. Now this Bavarian company, they also make motors for aircraft and
robots for satellites. So what we’re saying here is that they don’t just
focus on e-bike technology. With 120 newton-meters, this bike has a lot of torque and Haibike say it’s high
efficiency and low noise and with the integrated flywheel, it’s said to pedal like
a bike without a motor. And this is actually something we noticed immediately out on the road. We went from 24 kilometers an hour, up to 28 kilometers an hour, above that speed restriction without actually feeling any difference. The transition between
assist and non-assist was actually very seamless. In terms of watts, it’s 250 watts average. Obviously, the peak of that is more towards the 900 mark, but critically it’s limited
to 25 kilometers an hour. And it’s important not to
confuse power with speed because if you wanna go faster than that, you need to do it under your own steam and there’s actually
nothing wrong with that. But yeah, it does have a ton of power and its acceleration
characteristics are very fast. However, when it comes to the hills, it all depends on the gradient, the ground conditions, your mode choice, your tire choice and critically, your skills as a rider. ‘Cause it’s pointless
having all that power without any control. Look, I guess what I’m saying here is skill is a question
only you guys can answer because let’s face it, we’ve taken bikes with only
70 newton-meters of torque up places such as The Slab and The Rock, so skill then it applies
not just to the Flyon, but to any e-bike on the market. Plus there’s loads more to the Flyon than just the motor. (bike motor creaking) (exhales) (gravel crunching) (bleep) Ah yes, the details. Now we’ve been riding the XDURO Nduro 10 with 180 millimeters of travel. The frame then has
integrated cable routing and visually this bike
is totally pristine. The display; it gives
you such things as pulse, as cadence, calories and of course the dynamic side twitch. The display changes in relation
to the speed you ride at. The remote has five levels of assist and is thumb operated under the bar, which changes color depending
on the assist level. The battery, inserted longitudinally, has 630 watt hours, it’s internal, and the frame wraps
around it to save space and it charges from empty
to 80% in only an hour. But come on, there’s loads of other things such as the integrated skybeamer, 150, 500 or 5,000 lumens. Insane, it’s like daylight. Adjustable geometry, that’s a nice touch. Bash plate, essential. And the speed sensor, which records at 18 times per revolution. Super engaging. I guess what you’re all asking is ‘what’s it like, what’s it like?’ Well, get yourselves to a Haibike demo to answer that question for yourselves. What I’m really interested in is that super-detailed display. Now if you look here,
it’s a really fine control and it’s really easy to access. Here I’ve got ‘OFF’, ‘ECO’, ‘LOW’, ‘MID’, ‘HIGH’
and of course ‘XTREME’. And what you might have noticed as well is the color changes as
you go through each mode. And if you can see here,
the difference between light blue and darker blue now that is actually the battery life which you’ve got on your bike. Wow, I’m so happy to
have finally got my hands on a Haibike Flyon here in a
slightly wet Riva del Garda. But remember, it’s not just
a 180 mill travel bike, they also do the all-mountain
and the hard tail as well, so get yourselves along to a demo event. The big mountains require big bikes and they don’t come much
bigger than this one. This is the Fantic which we’ve previewed on EMBN about six months ago. Chris was raging about it but it was only a prototype back then and now it is actually production available in limited numbers. Now like I said it’s 200
millimeters front and rear it’s got a coil shock on the rear, a 29 inch wheel on the
front, 27.5 inch on the rear and as we’ve seen Loic Bruni won the first World Cup of the year on a similar wheel size, front and rear. It’s primarily an alloy chassis on it, although it has actually
got a carbon-fiber seat stay on there. Mavic alloy rims and of course, the heart of this motor, the heart of this bike, sorry,
is the Brose Drive S motor which is 90 Newton-meters’ torque, with a 630 watt-hour battery. It comes with a seat-dropper, comes with quite a
light-weight seat on it. Now I really like the
display on this bike, this is a Brose display. It’s
got four levels of support, it’s got a mode for lights and you can really shuttle through all the different functions
of it really, really easily. Now, when it comes to braking, obviously it’s gonna be
Italian, comes from Formula. You’ve got the Cura brake there, with 200 millimeter rotors front
and rear, to anchor you up. And of course the Super Tacky tires. See anything special? See anything different? Yeah? You got it? Sure you got it? New Shimano internal battery. How cool is that? Super neat, super slim, I think that that is definitely
one of the highlights from here at Riva del Garda. Anyhow, this is the new Propain e-bike. Comes in two versions. This is the 150 mill bike. There’s also 165 170 mill bike over there, we’ll take a look at that in a minute. Now the cool thing about this is it comes in a mix of wheel sizes. You can either have a 27.5 front and rear, you can have mixed wheel size,
27.5 rear, 29 front or 29. And all the geometry gets
altered to suit the wheel size. Now if you were to buy one of these bikes you can actually spec the bike yourself. You can have any type of
components you want on it, so that’s a really cool thing. Three different colors and yeah so it’s a 500
watt Shimano battery and the e-8000 motor. So let’s have a look over here at the 165. Excuse me guys, can I just come in here? So this is the 165 170 bike, as you can see there’s a coil shock on the back there, and again, the new Shimano motor. And I think that really
has had a big impact on the Shimano e-bikes. Really cool brand, really cool bikes. Now, tires are critical on
e-bikes for many reasons, and no more so than on rolling resistance because the quicker that tire rolls, the less battery you use on your e-bike. Now, I’m at the Pirelli stand and they already do a
great range of tires. The Scorpion range, which comes from their motocross background. They currently do Scorpion hard terrain, mixed terrain, soft terrain and rear tire. Now they come in 29 or 27.5 in 2.2 or 2.4. However, there’s a new
e-bike specific tire coming in 2.6 which has got even
stronger side-casings to it. Now I’m with Samwell Bressan from Pirelli, who’s actually talked me
through the backgrounds to the compounds and the
structure of these tires, because I’m actually finding it hard to get my head round it, Samwell. Could you talk us through the processes behind making your tires? – Yeah, thanks for the question. Usually when we talk about tires, it’s always a compromise between the opposite properties on the rubber, which typically on the road
they are rolling resistance versus the wet grip. But when you start going off-road, you need to substitute
the rolling resistance with mechanical strength of the rubber, so the tire resistance the
capability of the rubber to sustain most stresses
can be taken on board. – Yeah because especially on an e-bike ’cause there’s added weight to the e-bike and you know, lot of times we see people out on the trails, even being here in Garda the last few days, no end of punctures because of weak tires. But this is a really strong
tire this new 2.6, right? – Exactly we did put a lot of effort especially in the version of 2.6 for the e-mountain bike
tires in order to increase and maximize the mechanical resistance of either the compound
itself, so the rubber starts to be really mechanically stronger while providing still the wet grip, and the casing as well especially in the terms of the side walls, which are a lot more reinforced than what we are used to do. – What are we talking in terms
of weight of these new tires? – We are in the range of 11 or 1200 grams for real sizing 2.6 tires, all
in tubeless ready casing of course. – And what I really like about this system it’s really simple to understand. Like I mentioned earlier, you’ve got hard terrain,
mixed terrain, soft terrain and of course that rear tire, so these tires are gonna
be available when exactly? – The 2.6 in particular is going to be by the end of the summer, so probably landing in the shops by September, let’s say
after Euro-bike Trade Show. While the rest of the 2.4 and 2.2 they are already available
since a couple of weeks. – Cool, thanks Samwell, and that was really cool that Pirelli are getting involved in the e-bike market, really cool brand. Thanks. – Thank you. – Now Thok Bikes is from Italy and you might remember last year we did a video with Sylvain Guintoli, on 1000 Foot Dead World Superbike Champion. Now Thok make a range of bikes and is owned by, or part owned by Stefano Migliorini, who’s from Turin. Now Stefano has big
history in mountain bikes. He was actually third at
the first ever World Cup, at Cap D’Ail in 1993. – Another life ago! (laughs) – Stefano, you make the 140 150 bike. – Yes. – That’s the Thok bike, but
also you’ve got a new bike which is Ducati over here, right? – Yes Now can you talk us through the philosophy about having this bike
compared to the 140 150 bike? – You know, when we start
our partnership with Ducati, we was looking for
something dedicated to the e-mountain bike, but special to e-Enduro. So we develop with Ducati style, with Ducati R and D to develop our project and make something e-mountain bike e-Enduro. – That looks to me, this is got a 29 front and a 27.5 rear, right? – Yes, because it’s something
that you can recognize the Enduro model.
– Yeah. – And also is something that
is a very technical solution, because you know better than me that the front big wheels – I don’t know better than you. (laughs)
– Ah I think so, I think so! You are riding more than me now – However, it’s also won the
first ever World Cup this year, Loic Bruni won 29, 27.5. – This has confirmed from my
side something that work well. – Yeah yeah. Travel-wise, 170 mill up front right? – Yes. – This is a big bike right? – Yeah, it is an e-Enduro, so we approach the e-Enduro world with a new model with Ducati and I think that the e-world is going to change all this week. And this model is that how
I approach the e-Enduro, so– – So the key thing is
bottom bracket height, right? – Yeah. – When we ride like in the
mountains here in Garda or down in Finale, there’s some big rocks, and big trial sections, so you decided to raise the
bottom bracket a little bit. – Yes. We decide to have a little bit higher bottom bracket,
– Yeah – And we keep the same crank set length because we want to climb in
some steep and technical– – And the crank set length is? – Is 170. – Right, so this bike has now got a 368 millimeter bottom bracket, compared to the MIG-R over there which is 345. – 80 millimeter higher.
– Right. 60 millimeters,
– Yeah. – 40 millimeters. (laughs) – But again is another level of bike, so you can climb and have very
fun on very technical trails. – Yeah. So does this come in one
model or several models? – One model.
– Right. Price? – 6,250 Euros. – There you go. You gonna have a lot of fun if you get on the Ducati
from Thok bikes in Italy. Well now, this is exciting. Now Nox is a brand from Berlin, although the production and development is actually done in Austria. This is the new 7.1 using 29 inch wheels but crucially, it’s got the MAG-S motor, which has saved a load
of weight off this bike. It’s a 630 watt-hour
Brose battery in there. But look at the spec on it. Comes in around about 7,000 Euros, but you’ve got Stans Sentry wheels, you’ve got full Fox suspension there. 160 mill 36 up front. Magura brakes those heavy-duty stoppers from the German brand. It’s gonna come with SRAM Eagle on there, SRAM XO Eagle Renthal bar and stem and yeah, I think it’s
a crackin’ lookin’ bike. Four sizes. Now Raymon is for Raymondo. It’s actually for Felix Raymondo and I’m actually joined
by the man himself. Felix, thanks for joining us. – Thank you. – This is a new bike, e-Seventrail now it comes in several
different models, right? – Yes. We have two different categories. This is the top one, equipped with 12 speed Eagle components and we have the combination here of the Yamaha PWE model
– It’s a good motor. – Yes.
– Yeah. – And what is unique is
also we’re using this so-called linkage battery, maybe later I can show you how it works? – Yeah. – It’s a mid-season,
– Yeah. – It’s something in between. It’s showing actually where
the design is gonna go for 2021. – How many watt-hours in the battery? – There’s 500 watt-hours. – Okay, right. So this comes, this bike, the Raymon comes as a tracking bike, as a hardtail or as a full suspension bike, correct? – Yeah. All three categories we
have with this motor. Of course we have a full range of e-bikes, also different with the PW motor but this is actually top of the line. – Yeah.
– With the PWX. – PWX is a great motor. Raymon, sorry Felix. Felix or Raymon? Felix. Felix, can I have a look
at the battery please? – Yes. So as you can see here we
have just a small hole. Normally, with batteries
you have a big hole – Yeah. – On the down tube. You open just the cap, you
see it won’t fall down. And then you have here the battery. So you just put it back. – So the 160 mill travel e-Seventrail is gonna be available in
about a month’s time, correct? – In about a month, yes.
– Okay, nice one. – End of May it will be available. – Looking forward to it. Three years ago, some boffins
and mountain bike fanatics at Croatian supercar manufacturer, Rimac, decided they wanted to
make a mountain bike. An electric mountain bike. And they made one and it
was ridiculously powerful. Clearly, not street-legal. But now here we are three years later, and they have got the G Six. Their first e-bike. And it’s got the highest
energy density battery on the market look at that. 700 watt-hours. And here it is, 150 mill
travel front and rear. Their own motor, their
own battery, own frame, it’s all made in Croatia. And here is Kresimr, one
of the men behind it. Kresimr, how you doing?
– Hi. – Now I’m afraid I’m gonna have to ask you to talk me through some of
the details on this bike. First of all, why is there
a sensor on the brake? – Because we wanna know when you brake. I’m joking a little bit, but yeah we were investing a lot of effort into creating a user experience which is flawless and one of the things that we didn’t like on the benchmark bikes
that we were looking at, was that while you brake
there is a chance that motor will be pushing you a little bit up front so
– Yeah yeah. So we’re are not gonna
over-run on the motor right? – Yeah, so we basically are
cutting the motor assistance the second you touch the brake. We also are using the
brake sensor for rear light and also because we
believe that we can learn from the habits of our users
if we know how they brake. – Talk us through the display here. Now you’ve got a phone fitted there, but I noticed underneath there’s
a separate display, right? Can you talk me through the
functions of the grip system? – Yeah so, basically the whole concept was that we have a lot of sensors on the bike. We capture roughly 50 telemetry
data at any given second. The bike is constantly
connected to the internet through it’s own internet
connection, not through the phone, through its own internet connection. So we use that data to stream it online and then we interpret that in a way that it’s fun or useful or
interesting for the end user. – That’s crazy. – Yeah. One of the platforms that we
do it on is the mobile phone. Of course this is a very powerful computer that everybody has in their pocket. So the mobile phone application
works in several modes. The most obvious one is this one, which we call dashboard mode,
where you have various things. – It’s really it’s ridiculously stable. it’s almost like it’s part of the bike. Now can you talk us through, like say does it have such
things as your heart rate or your cadence or the
torque or anything like that? – So for example you
can go through different modes on the screen. First one is very simple. this is your trip all the
statistic of your current trip. This is cameras so the
bike has integrated cameras front and rear okay.
(laughs) – And lights. – Yes and lights. We believe that the bike should,
for the younger audience, should be a tool to create content. So the camera at the moment is– – Sorry Nick, we don’t need you anymore. We’ll just do it on the bike. (laughs)
– Yes. So we have cameras which
are front and back. – So actually I can just
record myself here right? – Whatever the camera records
ends up on your phone. – Yeah. – So you can share it easily
on social media and so on. – You can share crashes as well? – As well, yeah. In the future the cameras will be rolling and capturing video clips on its own, based on the sensory input. So for example, you
trigger in a mobile app. A trigger where a camera
will save every jump you do. On it’s own automatically. Or every high g-turn
that you do and so on. Third feature, which I
think is really cool, is a fitness application. So basically you choose the heart rate. – Oh wow.
– The heart rate– – So you can ride it
in a heart rate range? – Yes, range. And based on that the bike
will change assistance level, to keep this as a heart rate
that you get with the bike. – So a lot of people don’t understand that you can actually
have an really big workout on an e-bike, but to be
able to tune your heart-rate to the bike is something
really, really innovative. So there you go. Get yourself to a great test center. It’s the only way you can find out all the amazing details
on this bike from Croatia. Right, time for a battery
pit-stop on the great bike. Oh my god! Look at that! And then there’s a phone USB. Plug your phone in, do your business. Boom! Back in. Whoa! Let us know your thoughts on this video. In the meantime, give a
thumbs up to this video. Click on the globe, subscribe. Cheers, Stefan. – Cheers.