Downhill Bike Vs E Bike Race | Which Is Faster?

Downhill Bike Vs E Bike Race | Which Is Faster?


– We are 10 miles from the
French border in Italy. Behind me, San Remo and the Mediterranean. But between here and there, is an iconic downhill
track called Due Muri. We’re here to ride an
e-bike, the motor off, versus a downhill bike. So here’s the two bikes. Haibike 180, Enduro 10. And the Canyon Sender. (upbeat music) At the top level of downhill there’s been an obsession with weight
loss for many years, be it in carbon fibre or aluminium. If you could remember
that Mondraker brought 32 pound downhill bike in
aluminium, 10 years ago. But still, in the pits, if
you haven’t got a carbon 32 pound bike, you’ve got no chance. So the theory goes. But then, 2010, Gee Atherton
won the World Cup Series on a 42 pound common style. That’s not so long ago, really. Okay, so the e-bike we have is the Haibike XDURO Enduro 10, aluminium
chassis, aluminium wheels, 180 mo travel. So, there’s a lot of talk about e-bikes, that they’re really slow and sluggish, but I mean, of course, if
you’re on a flat pedaler shootout between a 20
pound cross country bike, and a 45 pound e-bike,
then that cross country bike’s gonna win every time. But what about on a super
tough downhill track? Let’s go and ride this. Now there is no doubt that
the challenge we’ve set these two bikes here in
San Remo is a proper one. This is a full on downhill track. You know, it’s worthy of World Cup status. And I think overall, I think
the track is definitely gonna benefit the downhill bike. Because of those big, big, hits, this big arm wrestle sections, you know, just like this one here. Bonkers. (upbeat music) So I think when you’re
in these kind of big extreme downhill sections,
you might need to think of your line choice a
bit more on the e-bike, they kind of mellow align. So yeah, really interesting. It’s places like this where you gotta be super careful of exit speed. (upbeat music) Overall, it’s a story of
profit and loss as you’re working down the hill. The e-bike’s gonna gain in some sections, the downhill in others. But remember, the e-bike is really heavy, so you’ve gotta be really super careful on your entry speed into the corners, because, for example, here’s
a kind of down section followed by a flat section,
so the story here is if you get it wrong on the
corner, you’re gonna be at a disadvantage on the
flat section on the e-bike. But remember, we’re riding
the e-bike with the motor off. (upbeat music) Whoa! Really really liked that track. Wow, it’s gonna be quite
challenging actually, I think the high speed, the
corners is just immense, so flowing, so, I think
my gut feeling is the downhill bike is gonna up
to handle a track like that, but you still got the
weight and the momentum of this e-bike, so I don’t
think it’s gonna be far off. It’s gonna be super close. But, what a treat, riding that. Amazing. (upbeat music) Woo! (laughing) Oh my God! Wow! Crikey. First impressions, there’s
a lot more kind of, lot more movement on the downhill bike compared to the e-bike. So, it’s quite difficult to adapt, ’cause you get locked in a sideways kinda skittering and stuff like that. At the same time, you can
definitely gap sections, quite, well, not easier
but in a different manner on this bike. Ah, wow. Not so sure about the open face
helmet on these both bikes. Should’ve been riding a
downhill helmet for sure. (upbeat music) Tell you what. I don’t feel like I can
bulldoze this bike like I can on the e-bike. Yeah, maybe it’s just a bit
of adaption coming into place. (upbeat music) Yeah, do you know what, I think on sections like that, big rocks, big arm wrestle sections, the longer wheel base
of the downhill bike, the bigger fork, all
contributes to a more stable, straight line ride to it. But do you know what? I think at the end of
this, whichever bike wins, who cares? I mean, this is great fun doing this. Amazing. (upbeat music) The corner exit speed in the downhill bike is gonna be gain intense every second, all the way down this track. It’s just gotta simple
lightweight little bike, really. (upbeat music) Oh, man, Jacko, can we stay here all week? That’s such good fun. Do you know what? Difference between two
bikes, ironically I think it’s exit speed on the downhill bike and pedalling that might give it the edge. Together with the straight line composure on the really big nasty stuff, kind of in the stability
the downhill bike gives you. But yeah, like I said, yeah,
can we come back to San Remo and spend two weeks here? – [Man] I’m down. – (laughing) Yes! (upbeat music) Wow. What a day. On a very difficult, very technical, very physical hill in San Remo, right? So what factors contribute
to the final result? Well, the rider, the track,
the weather conditions, the geometry, the suspension
design, the tyres, there’s so many things
that affect a timed run. But what we’re saying here
is just this one rider, one track, one day of the year. We’re not making any big
sweeping generalisations whether e-bike versus downhill bike, one is faster than the other, it’s just. It’s just a bit of fun. – What about the feel of it? Any observations from those rides? – Yeah, I think the
Haibike, it had good grip, good stability, I think
everything except on the super high speed stuff,
it was really good. I could still gap things,
like we were talking, it’s just different timing on the e-bike. – So what about feeling versus fact? I know, in my experience,
29ers for example, they don’t feel fast, but they work. – Yeah, totally. You know, you get on the Sender and it felt lightning quick, immediately. Although a little bit nervy. It felt like there was
a bit more deflection, you need to be a little bit more precise, especially amongst the rocks. Exit speed on the corners was bonkers. It was like, oh my God, I thought this was gonna be tenths
of a second every corner, that thing is about 82
corners on that track. But, do you know what, it’s quite funny, was that I found there was
more arm fatigue in the Sender, and more leg fatigue in the Haibike. But I think that was probably because I should really be riding an XL Haibike, but you know, maybe my suspension set wasn’t brilliant in the Haibike. – But then, I would think
the weight of the e-bike is gonna play through,
and I think you’ll be feeling less fatigued,
certainly in your arms. But that’s not scientific by any means, that’s just what I feel I
think from those two bikes. But, let’s hit you with
the results, Steve. – Okay, this is, yeah, I’m feeling, I’m definitely feeling kinda,
I’m feeling Sender here. – Well. – Definitely feeling Sender, kind of. – Three minutes 35 on the e-bike. So, it’s a medium length track. – Yeah, yeah. – Three minutes 37 on the
Canyon Sender downhill bike. – Really? Are you serious? – It’s only two seconds,
that’s not a huge amount. – No. – In a downhill race,
yes, that’s win or lose, but on the case of one person, two runs, that’s very very close. – Do you know, I mean, I’m surprised there because you know, you got a smaller fork on the Haibike, you got some
big big hits on that track, and yeah, I guess it comes back again to feeling versus fact. I’m pretty surprised about that. – You’re not using the
motor at all on that trail, you’re above the pedal
assist speed for most of it, on the South side, it’s not down. – I think exactly, done. I had the motor off. – That was it. I didn’t know that. You’ve shocked me with this news. – Sorry. But do you know what? I think the bottom line
Don, is I absolutely loved riding that Canyon Sender
down that downhill track, every second of the day. But I think I loved riding the Haibike just a little bit more. – [Don] Well, two great bikes, of course. But I definitely think, you
get to the bottom of the run, you’re gonna turn around your e-bike and get straight back up the hill, you don’t have to wait for an uplift. – Yeah, totally, and another thing as well is that most people won’t
be putting their life on the line–
– Yeah, absolutely. – Doing downhill runs on their bike. But at least they can be
happy in the knowledge that riding an e-bike, it’s not gonna be disadvantaging them. – Yeah, absolutely. – So there you go. There’s our e-bike versus downhill bike. So like I said, we’re not
making sweeping generalisations, just a bit of fun, and who
cares about the results, really. – Well let’s do some more of these, we’ll do some more versus videos, leave us your suggestions
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