Can E Bikers Ride With Mountain Bikers? | Mixing Up An EMTB Ride

Can E Bikers Ride With Mountain Bikers? | Mixing Up An EMTB Ride


– We all love riding in
groups, you ride with riders of different fitness,
different riding abilities and even different bikes. But what happens when you
add an E-bike into that mix? Are you going to start losing friends? Are you not even going to get
a good workout on your E-bike? Well, today I’ve got a
group of friends up together and we’re going for a group ride to give you guys some
tips on how to manage it and keep it fun. (energetic music) So, here we are. We’ve arrived at the trail
head, met with all my friends, we’ve got loads of different bikes. Who’ve we got, Steve? – Well, straight in. Wow, friends is quite a
strong word, Christopher. Anyhow, we have three
heavyweights in Chris, Doddy and myself and we’re
joined by Georgia and Joel, who are 55 kilos and
73 kilos, respectively. We won’t actually disclose our weight. Me, Chris and Doddy are on E-bikes, whereas, Joel and Georgia are on 170 mil travel enduro bikes. Chris, I think, pretty
much, mountain biking, whether it’s E-biking or non E-biking, it’s just about sharing,
it’s about working out as you go along the ride, right? – Yeah, exactly that. So, today, we’re just going to do a loop around our local trail center. We’re here at the Forest of Dean. We’re going to smash out our laps. We’re going to have
everything from tech uphills, flat fire road sections and
smashing downhill runs too. So, we’re going to make
it work between all of us. – I can just see us pushing
Georgia and Joel up the hills. (Georgia laughing) – Towing them. I’ve got the tow rope, actually, so, yeah. It’s going to happen. The most important part of a group ride is making it an actual group ride. There’s no point if you keep disappearing off into the distance in boost mode on every single climb, because the people on
standard mountain bikes, they’re going to get
pretty annoyed with that. It’s about keeping up with the group and keeping it fun. We’ve proven many times that it can even be the best athletes on an E-bike in boost mode. We’ve beaten Olympic
riders and professional cross-country riders just by using boost. So dial that power down, keep it in eco and just keep an idea of
the pace of the group. Don’t disappear off in the distance. It’s not going to be fun for anyone. (light bouncy music) – Ah, tech climb. So, here we are on our first tech climb. Now, what we’re going
to be looking at on this is such things as when we ride, probably, in different power modes. Can we actually ride with these? Guys, obviously, Joel and
Georgia are probably pretty fit, so they might be able to
keep up with us in eco mode. So, let’s go and find out. (high energetic music) Wow, it’s actually quite simple, isn’t it? Joel is a bit faster than I am. (upbeat energetic music) Chris has actually proved
that two light-weight, fit people can actually
cane it up the hill. I mean, I’m in eco and we’re
just keeping up with them. – Yeah, that’s the great
thing about an E-bike. You can turn that power up or dial it down to keep up the speed up. (upbeat music) – Oh my god, well, that just proves that it didn’t matter
what bike you’ve got, you can mash up sometimes. Of course, because you’ve got an E-bike, why not give a brother or
sister a push to the top? – “Thanks Dad!” – Dad? (both laugh) (energetic music) – Now, a flat fire road
such as this section here is where you’re going to lose out to a standard mountain bike. Now an E-bike, if it’s restricted, is going to be stuck at
25 kilometers an hour if you’re in England, whereas
a standard mountain bike can literally press on and
pull ahead by quite a distance. So, it’s up to you,
whether to push harder, get above that limit to keep
up with your mountain bikes or ask the mountain bike
guys to step it down a level so you can keep up on your E-bike. – Georgia, you must go
for group rides a lot of the time with your job. – I do. – Do you ever get the scenario
where people are, you know, on an E-bike, some people
are not on an E-bike? – That happens every ride. – All right. – Yeah. – And what about out of work? – Out of work that is exactly the same, because my best riding buddy– – Who is? – My dad. – Right. – Now, has an EVO with every
other bike under the sun and the only bike he rides is his EVO. – So how does that work when
you’ve got together then? – Well, he goes on his E-bike– – Yeah. – Puts it in eco– – Right. – And I am panting out of breath for the entire ride, next to him. – But, the same happens,
actually, if, like, we’ve done it ourselves before, where you’re on an E-bike
and I’m on an E-bike and when we do climbs– – [Joelle] Yeah. – I mean, I’ll probably be in turbo mode and you can be in eco mode and
we climb at the same speed. But, when we’re in the same mode we have fans, it’s all about the power to wait. – [Joel] Yeah. – [Steve] And what was the time
difference of those climbs? Eight minutes? Ten minutes different? – [Joel] Eight! No. (both laughing) I mean I’ll take that. – Yeah. But like, on the fifteen minute climb, we were both in the same mode, on the same bikes with the same tires– – Yeah, there was a big time difference. – Huge difference. Yeah. So, there is a bit of give and take when you’re out on the trail, right? – There is. And it’s good when they can give you a time as well, always helps. (upbeat music) – If you do the mix right, one of the coolest things you can do is take somebody up hill, straight away, by giving a bit of a tow. I feel like we should go a bit faster. – Come on Georgia, you’re slacking! – All right, let’s get up here. (yelling) – Bye! – If you’re doing up lifts, these are the perfect things. You can get up super fast, pretty much disconnect,
put it in your pocket, back down hill. We’re good. – Bob’s your uncle, Bonnie’s your aunt. – Henry’s my uncle. – Ahh, yeah Dick’s my uncle. (loud music) (energetic music) (skidding) – Oh! Who’s paying for your tires? (groaning) So, when you’re hitting a single track, there’s no real advantage of being on an E-bike. So you may as well just mix it up, Let the faster riders go at the front, and then the slow riders
bring at the rear. It’s no different really, right? – I don’t think it is any different. I mean, we’re going to drop
into some downhill section. When you are in a bike pack, you never actually just
tear of in the lead. You’re always waiting
for your mates, right? – Exactly, regroup. – Yeah – And set a pace. – But do you know what? Actually I thought that
same track we did there, there was no difference between
the whole group, really. – Exactly the same speed. – Just cruise along, it’s a good time. – Yeah. – So Joel, you’re one of those riders that mixes up E-bike rides with traditional mountain bikes. What’s your tips of
getting the most out of it? – I, you always end up towing someone or pushing someone. It’s free, free way is
that all family can do it. You got the traditional tow rope. – [Christopher] Right. – [Joel] Which everyone knows. – [Christopher] Yeah. – The other one is if the E-bike you’re on while someone pushes
and you can swap hands. But obviously you need
your hand on the gears, because if it gets steep it’s difficult. – Yeah, it can spin out. – But the one that we found
that worked pretty well, is the acoustic bike rider, holds onto the shoulder of the E-bike, and then you get towed, and then the E-bike has four
gear range and everything and you can get a tow so easily. – Nice, nice tips there from Joel. (rock music) (rock music) – So, there you go. Group ride with the
standard mountain bikes, mixed with E mountain bikes, and it was an amazing day, wasn’t it? – It was a very good day out. – What was your highlight of the ride? – Highlight of the day was definitely Doddy’s tow rope. That was a life saver. – You were absolutely flying up there. – I know, I’m still working hard. Just getting to the top quicker. – There’s a bit more assistance. – Yeah! – Then we have, obviously,
single track stuff where it was pretty
level peggin’, wasn’t it? Just fun flowing stuff. – Well, that’s when, you know, group ride comes into it’s own when you’ve got E-bikes
and non assisted bikes and the down hill because
it’s level playing field. That’s when ability comes in. – Yeah, definitely. Down hill is all about the skills as well as the bikes, things like that. – Exactly. – But yeah, real good day out. I suggest you get out there to do it ASAP. If you want to stick around and check out another video with Georgia Lesi, check this one out down here. Drop some comments in the box below about all your tips about riding with standard mountain
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