Affordable E-Bikes For Every Budget | EMBN Show Ep. 58

Affordable E-Bikes For Every Budget | EMBN Show Ep. 58


– On today’s show, we’ll be asking what exactly do you get for your money? And crucially, is it suitable for the purpose you have in mind? – We’re going to be bringing you all the latest E-bike news from around the world in today’s show. (exciting music) – Now if you were in the
Monaco area last week you might well have seen
our colleague on GCN, Dan Lloyd, descending off that famous well, infamous peak, The Col de la Madone. The same time, you might have seen me struggling in the snowy conditions high above that very famous F-1 town. Chris, I see you were
out in the snow as well. – Yeah, we’ve been struck with a lot of snow here in England. We had about eight inches back home which is pretty unheard of so I went out and about on the
E-bike, shredding it around. Really, really good fun. – [Steve] But I also saw you
were in the skate park as well. – [Chris] Of course I were
in the skate park, yeah. – [Steve] I don’t see E-bikes
in skates parks mix that well. – I don’t see you in a skate park, Steve. – I was once, yeah. I
guess, good skills right? – Yeah, no it’s all good. It all translates over to the trail. – But on today’s show,
we’re gonna be talking about do you get more bang for your buck? How much money do you actually
have to spend on an E-bike, and is it suitable for purpose? – So let’s kick things off. I think around £500 is a
minimum amount of money you can spend to get into
the E-bike game, right? – Yeah, well we actually spent £350 on this Cyclamatic off the internet. It’s a hub drive bike,
only comes in one size, but when you’re riding fire roads, it’s a really capable mountain bike. However, when you take it into a serious off-road environment, it simply is not built for purpose. And it’ll get you into
some sticky spots I think. Which takes us onto a higher price bond, if you spend up to £1000, you get this Decathlon Rockrider. What you get here is much
more suitable componentry, and of course sizing. You get, you know you
get four different sizes which is really important when
you’re buying a mountain bike and, again, it’s a hub drive
bike so it’s a bit limited when you come to super steep hills, but when you get into this price point, you look at this bike
here which is the Carrera. – Taking that next step up again. Getting you more towards that
more capable mountain bike. It’s got better brakes, better suspension, bit more design to hit those trails rather than just to commute to work or the forest trails and things. – So I think that covers
the budget end of E-bikes, they’re primarily hub drive bikes. Now, we did a feature recently which was cheap bike vs super bike, and I think this comment
comes in from Kenn Peters sums it up pretty well actually. – Yeah, we’ve had this in from Ken. – Yeah, and I think the
key point here though is, Ken has now gone from a hub drive bike to a mid drive bike. Now, mid drive bikes are far more capable when it comes to serious off road terrain. Especially the hill climbs. And if you’re looking at
a bike for less than £2000 I think the Haibike is a good bike . – Yeah, yeah. Got the Haibike Sduro Hardseven, just tipping over the edge, as Steve says, to the mid drive bike, Yamaha motor, proper suspension,
hydraulic disc brakes and that is that slight air towards that more capable off-road bike. It’s capable of doing all the commuting and the road works smooth trails. – Exactly. – You hit the trails. – Crucially, it’s still a hard drive but it has that mid drive motor. So, if you take things up to £2500, now in the same way as we discussed the differences between
the budget bikes earlier, when you get between 500 and 1500, it’s all about the componentry: good componentry, bad componentry. I think it’s the same
when you’ve got hard tails around the £2000 mark. Because you’ve got this
specialized Levo here, which is also a mid drive bike, there’s a great range of sizes involved. So, yeah two really good
options around the £2000 mark. – Okay, so this is where
things get really interesting, this is the price bracket
from £2000 to £3000. This is where we’re dipping our toes in a proper off-road style E-bike, right? – Yeah, I think you’re
dead right there Chris. It’s where you go off the beaten track. This is where we go from
hard tail to full suspension. A full suspension bike is far more capable in an off-road situation than a hard tail. It gives you more comfort
and it gives you more grip. Now, a great bike up to £3000 is the Haibike Sduro Fullseven 4.0. Great geometry, great componentry, and of course, that mid drive motor. – [Chris] Yep. – And then, when you move
up to the £4000 price point, the Canyon Spectral:on, this is the 6.0. Now this is a seriously good
off-road bike, right Chris? – Yeah it shares all the same technology as the whole of the Spectral:on range, so you’re getting a mid price point bike, but that whole technology
is spread across that bike at a good price point. – Yeah and again it’s like
we talked about earlier, when you go from 4000 to say, up to 5000 the bikes we ride, the Canyon
bikes we ride here on EMBN is the Spectral 8.0. All you’re doing is you’re
getting different componentry. For example: our bikes
compared to the 6.0, we got better wheels, we got a
better drivetrain on the bike and of course like a
better seat dropper, right? So it’s just about the
fine details really. – Simply those things that you probably upgrade as you go along, from the cheaper model up
to the expensive model, but it’s already done for you really. – Yeah. – That’s where that money goes. Next step up is obviously £5000 plus, what do you get for that, Steve? – Well, sky is the limit, right? Well the sky is no limit, I mean you’ve got the new Haibike Flyon, which is insane: it’s got
120 newton meter motor, it’s got lights on it. Or you could choose, maybe, the specialized S-Works Turbo Levo, it’s got a 704 watt hour battery. – [Chris] Massive range. – It’s carbon fiber, it’s
got a huge range on it. And it’s lightweight, you know. It’s sub 20 kilos. So again, it’s the fine
detail and the componentry and the frame that gives you that money. – So that technology as well, isn’t it all bluetooth compatible, you can link it up to your phone, you can get all the data
from it, ride, all that data. You know, all comes at a price. – Yeah, so there you go! There’s a full breakdown
there of all the different price points from 500,
or should I say 350, up to £9999. I think there’s something
in there for everybody, but the key thing is you need to identify the type of terrain that you ride, and make sure the bike you get is suitable for that type of terrain. There’s no point in
buying a £500 budget bike and think you’re gonna go into
the wilderness of Scotland because it simply will not hold up. The same token, if you buy a 10000 bike, yes it can go and do the fire roads, but maybe you’re… – Overkill. – Maybe you’re underusing it. – Or overkill, yeah. – It’s nice to use it, right Chris? – Exactly, yeah it’s nice to have. Be nice to have a bike
that does everything, but there definitely is a price
point for everyone out there to get into buying an E-bike. (dramatic tune) – Nicolai Eboxx. – Mhm, Nicolai have come out with a, well it’s been in the works
for a while hasn’t it? It’s got a roll off rear hub belt drive, looks really interesting. Those guys at Nicolai know their stuff, so definitely gonna be big
leaps forward in progression of E-bike technology with that, looks a really interesting ride. So there’s some big news coming in from San Dimas and California, from the Foes factory. Their E-bike is about
ready to be launched. It’s available in a frame only as well, so really excited, you know. Talked about that a lot on this show, manufacturers making just a frame only, you can stick your own stuff on. Comes with a Shimano Steps motor on there. – So this is custom made
for a Shimano motor, right? – Yep. – I think that’s the key thing. – Yeah, yeah. It’s available in, I think
they’re messing around with different wheel sizes, different bottom bracket
heights at the moment, so it’s really in it’s
final production phases. But yeah, big news. – D’you know what? I find that really exciting, because Foes is a brand that’s synonymous with big hitting downhill bikes. Like the Foes DH Mono,
with a curnut shock. Shock was like this on it! – Huge, isn’t it? – Didn’t you have F-1 forks as well. Foes forks. – Foes F-1 forks, kinda like
you’re having an asthma attack coming down the hill, puffing away. – But those days are gone. – Yep. – Foes now has an E-bike in the offering. Cannot wait to have a look at that. Let’s get into some
realities and facts here. Now I saw that Michelin have
got an E-bike specific tyre, right? – Yeah that’s coming
out, called the Wild E. Donny’s spotted a few of those
up at the Core Bike Show. Looks really interesting:
they got different compounds, big aggressive front tyre, and then nice, sort of,
less aggressive rear tyres. So it’s not taking that
range out of the battery, but you’re obviously
providing that drive and grip. – Interesting because I was with the 10 time world downhill
champion, Nico Vouilloz, couple of days ago. And he had Michelin tyres, but he had downhill
casing tyres on his bike and he was running about, like, he must’ve been on like 18 PSI on them. But you should’ve seen
the speed he was going. – [Chris] I can imagine.
– Oh my god. Chris, did you see Sam Hill’s
Instagram post a few days ago about Kilian Bron riding
down that dam face? – [Chris] I didn’t but I just
saw it now on the screen, and I can imagine seeing
you riding up there Steve. – I don’t think so butt six degrees. But, I like the fact that
people are giving us inspiration for our next hill climb challenge. – Definitely, it does look good fun. Other news, there’s a
new national race series out in the states kicking off, where you can get a
national title, actually. It’s GNCC Racing, loads
of different venues. Yeah, national title up for grabs. – Yeah and closer to home
– down here in Bristol on the South West of England
– the Bristol Bike Fest has got an E-bike specific
category at this year’s festival. If you wanna go and drink a load of cider and ride your E-bikes,
that is the place to go. (dramatic tune) – I did actually see this
piece from Jesse Melamed on his Rocky Mountain Powerplay. Seriously, seriously
good trials skills here in a rock garden going up. And also going back down, right? – [Chris] Yeah it looked
pretty tech coming back down. – [Steve] When we talk
about who rides E-bikes, there you go. Some pro riders inspiring lots
of people with their skills. (dramatic tune) – Welcome to a super snowy
edition of Electricks, it’s pretty rare that we get
a lot of snow here in the UK, but taking your E-bike out
in the snow is a load of fun. Today, I’m going to be showing
you just how to do that. (wind blowing) Bike set up for riding in the snow, you just wanna lower
your tyres a little bit. Just gives it that little bit more grip, a bit more predictability,
especially on those square edges that you sometimes encounter if it’s frosty out there. Power mode. I’m just sticking it
in a medium power mode, sometimes going up into turbo if I need it for that deeper snow. Also, when you’re riding
don’t forget if you are a clip-less pedal user,
I’d stick a set of flats on if you’re gonna attempt
to ride in the snow ’cause it makes it a lot easier when you wanna stick your foot out or things start getting a
bit slide-y and a bit rowdy. So, one of the hardest things
that I find in the snow is actually setting off,
getting that momentum going. Getting a good line. So I suggest dropping the seat,
get in a medium power mode, medium gear, and just
injecting a bit of speed, a bit harder than you’d
normally accelerate just to get that bike moving,
get the momentum in the wheels then it should soon settle down. Just like that, don’t go
riding in any of those trails that you don’t really know, ’cause a lot of things will
catch you out on the snow. But it’s all about staying relaxed, keeping that upper body, you
want it stiff in the upper body but loose in the arms. Let the bike slide if it needs to slide. Just look and focus on your line. Deep snow here, you can
see that’s really deep. But the E-bike is managing it
no problem at all whatsoever. (wheels creaking) So there you go! Really good fun riding
on snow on your E-bike, just a few things to remember: momentum is key, keep that power on just try and keep that bike
going in a straight line, keep the upper body stiff
but relax in the arms, just expect that front
wheel to slide around keep a good gear, keep
that motor spinning, keep that forward momentum,
and riding in snow is one of the best things
you can do on your E-bike. (wheels creaking) (dramatic tune) – Right, well it’s this
time of the week again where we talk about Ghetto Tech. – I don’t know about you, Steve, but when I get back from a E-bike ride when it’s all covered in mud, I find them a nightmare to wash, you know. Tryna clean the drivetrain,
things like that. Getting them up in the air. But Josh has come up with a
really neat solution here, he’s made his own E-bike stand. It’s looking pretty good actually. – Chris, one question. – Yep. – Is it 3B2 or 4B2? – 4B2 by the looks of it. Gonna need something pretty
substantial to hold the weight of that E-bike up. – Can’t see the side. Josh we wanna see the side on shots, I’m looking at it like it’s
one of those hangman things with a strut on it, right? – Yeah I think so, just
wedging the saddle up. But yeah, it looks a really
good way of washing an E-bike, cleaning the drivetrain. (dramatic tune) – Chris, gotta say, great job
on the Hans Rey trials video. – [Chris] Cheers, it
was good fun that one. – It’s nice to see you
pulling it back a little bit from the one we did. This in from Scott, “Well Hans
is twice your age, Chris”. – Well, no, Hans is getting
on a bit, but I’m 37 so I don’t think he’s –
what’s the maths – 72? Is he? Not quite yet.
– It’s 74. – No, but yeah Hans did an amazing job. – You need to work on your
maths as well as your trials. – Really amazing rider,
and is super impressive to see what he’s capable of, still. And he would’ve probably shut me down if it was pure trials session. – Doesn’t stop there. – I did actually, Hans
is a big hero of mine. Used to watch him as a kid growing up, so it was really cool to play
a game of E-bike with him. And yeah, I did feel guilty,
but it was really close so I’m not that guilty. I had to win one, can’t be
beaten by all these old guys, can I Steve? – No, obviously not. Onto the electric mountain
video which you did. This is from Chris Edwards. – Yeah we had this in,
“Quality video guys” – Well it’s nice to see
someone enjoying the education ’cause Chris wasn’t
interested in one little bit. – Just wanna ride, don’t I? – This in from Skot: Ah, that’s very kind Skot! – That’s what we like
to do is share the ride and give you a little bit of information and a bit of epic riding, so yeah. – We got more coming
in the next few weeks. (dramatic tune) So as our globe spins evermore out of control towards the Spring Equinox, what’ve we got this week Chris? – Well I don’t know if
you’re gonna be able to find this one, Steve. It’s in a place called the Forest of Dean. – Yeah, what is it? – You know where that one is? – Yeah, talking it out
of control, carry on. – We got this one sent in from John, looks like he’s tryna do a
Bernard Kerr Stoppie Sunday, he’s actually out on his
new Levo and it’s given him a lot of confidence.
– [Steve] Oh crikey! – But, some good technique there Steve, what d’you think on that? – Chris, you’re the technique man. I’ll leave that comment down to you. I don’t wanna fall out with
anybody in my local woods. – But yeah, good to see
you jumping that, John. – We wanna see more of these. – Definitely, we got this one
in from Dublin as well Steve. Can you find Dublin? – I can find Dublin, yeah. – [Chris] We got this in from Shaun, absolutely sending it on his Merida E900. Having a lot of fun, couple
of big jumps as well. Going pretty big on that. – Fair do’s! Redo it in FOD. – Nice. (dramatic tune) – Chris, what’ve we got coming
up on the channel this week? – Well on Friday we got
getting the most out of your seatpost dropping when
you’re hitting the trails. Probably the most overlooked
item on your E-bike, but a really important one to get right. – Absolutely. Then Sunday, we’ve got an incredible video with the double world downhill
champion, Fabien Barel. It’s a multi-faceted ride, in the 06 department
of Alpes-Maritime area in the South of France, amazing. – [Chris] Can’t wait for that. – Amazing, amazing terrain
and skills by Fabien there. – I can imagine. – Tell you what Chris, I’ve been using my EMBN jacket and hat
this week, been freezing. – [Chris] Definitely. That EMBN puffer’s come in super helpful. – [Steve] Don’t forget the
shop to check out all the kit. – Lots of stuff in there
from T-shirts, hoodies, hats, puffer jackets, loads
of cool kit in there. It’s a really good way of
supporting the channel, so don’t forget to
check out the EMBN shop. – Yeah, get shopping guys! (wheels screeching) It’s bike vault time! – Let’s get into it. We got this one in from
Werner, giant E Trance SX Pro. – St. Francis, South Africa! Come on, easy, super nice! (horn shouting) – Got this one in from Jadon as well. – Or Ja’don. – Jay’don. Trek Powerfly LT, 2019 model
from Brisbane, Australia. – It’s nice, I wouldn’t put
danger in the background. – Military firing range. – Oh right, well maybe. But Chris, nice flowers. Look at that Southern Hemisphere summer. – I’d say a nice for that one. – It’s nice. – Moving on. – This is from Steven in Uffington
White Horse, Oxfordshire. Bracer bikes on the ridgeway. – Focus Jam2 Factory looking pretty good. – And a Specialized in
the background there. – Yep. – Yeah. – What you thinking Steve? – Yeah I’m leaning towards nice
– Nice. – Yeah, yeah. – Moving on, we’ve got Evan here, with his Pivot Shuttle 2019 on a demo, out in the McDowell Mountains. – Scottsdale, Arizona! – Arizona. – I like a bit of Arizona action. – Hell of a bike. – I’d love to go to Arizona. – Super nice. – There you go! (horn shouting) – This one in from
David, Haibike Nduro 8.5, and a 2019 Kenevo. – Idaho. – Can ride two bikes at once. Quite a backdrop. – Course, Idaho’s in land, isn’t it? Look how cold it is there. – Icy creek bed, look at
the icicles and stuff. – It’s nice to see other people suffering, so I’m thinking that has got to be super nice! – Super ice. – Super ice! – Andy here with his 2019
Specialized Turbo 29er. – Where’s Candover? – I have no idea actually. It looks pretty good,
can’t quite see the bike. – I’d like to see the bike, Andy. – Yeah, not quite a good angle on there, but it looks like a hell of
a trail, a really good ride. – It looks like a farm track to me. Let’s go. – Nice. – Nice. – Moving on we got Mate
here on his giant Trance. – That is quite unusual. – He won pro, from Slovenia.
– Where is it? That is quite unusual. – Aptly named Cold Mountain,
and it looks bloody cold there. – And I think, fair do’s on you Mate, sorry for the pronunciation. Take my hat off to him, super nice. – Super ice. – Super ice!
(horn shouting) – Definitely again. These ones are from Mud Plugin, from Peter and his Cube Stereo Hybrid 120. – Peter, you are a man after my own heart. This to me is, I love riding in mud. – He’s at a motocross track,
and if you look round… – I’m not into motocross tracks,
but I love riding in mud. – Does look super deep mud. – Is that the place to take your E-bike? Probably not so good for
the transmission, right? – Grinding, I think you’ll be
replacing chains, brake pads. – I love mud, but I don’t think
we should be encouraging… Should we, should we?
– No. – What we gonna say? – I think we should be encouraging mud, but I don’t know about motocross tracks. – Okay, alright, so that’s a nice. – Nice. (wheels screeching) – [Both] That’s it! – [Steve] Out of mud vault. – Bike vault.
(loud laughter) But keep those bikes coming in, we love seeing all your
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description below on the video. – Yeah, but you know what? We wanna know your comments on
the price points of E-bikes. We had a load of feedback
on cheap bike vs super bike, and we really wanna know
your thoughts on this and where you think you
should be riding these bikes. But please, leave your comments
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